When Chinese Food was Glamorous in America
I came across this Edward Hopper painting today and, for a few minutes, tried to connect the image with the name. The painting is evocative of everything I associate with the 1920s: men in suits, chic flappers, and dim stylish interiors. Yet if you look closely, there is a terracotta teapot on the table. And try to decipher the restaurant placard outside the window. The restaurant and painting are both called "Chop Suey".
Ask Americans what comes to mind when they think of the Chinese restaurants. The adjectives you'll most likely get are along the lines of cheap, quick, and dingy with fluorescent lighting. Chinese restaurants are now the culinary equivalent of love motels.
I'm not talking about banquet halls in Chinatowns that cater to the Chinese, which also tend to be lackluster. I'm talking about restaurants for the other 99.5% of America. Whether they know it or not, these greasy take-outs, Panda Expresses, and P.F. Changs serve as cultural ambassadors for Chinese food and culture. And what they represent is cheap food for the masses, not culinary sophistication.
A few writers have lamented the blah-ness of Chinese restaurants in America, mostly in terms of food quality. But what about the decor, atmosphere, and service, those little extras that can make or break a dining experience? The restaurants that are stylish without resorting to kitschy chinoiserie are few and far between. The best case scenario is great authentic food, but in the absence of such, American approximations in a nice setting is better than the same food in a depressing setting.
Granted, I wasn't alive in 1920's America. But I'd still like to imagine that for every few dingy chop suey take-outs, there is an Edward Hopper "Chop Suey" equivalent. Where men and women got dolled up and whiled away the afternoon over a pot of Pu'er. Where Chinese food wasn't just a means of filling up your stomach, but also a symbol of the good life.
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gwai lo chinese food
Sorry... I do not really now how the pinyang spelling of 'gwai lo' goes. But, in a similar note when we speak of Mexican or Latin food in America we lovingly refer to it as Gringo Mexican. There does exist a certain nostalgia with these cuisines.
I understand your loathing for this representation of your food culture in America. For a long time, I felt the same. However, as I get older I feel a sort of reverence for some of these creations. The dish itself, chop suey, represents an American twist on Chinese flavors. I also look towards dishes such as crab rangoon (which I believe does not exist at all in China) as a cultural phenomenon. What if we took these same dishes and ideas and elevated them. What was their original appeal? How can they be taken to a higher level?
My wife is Taiwanese, so I truly understand the argument. For me it's very similar to my experiences of eating (let's just say for example) Italian food in Taiwan. It's so different from anything I've had in the west. I just find it a curious thing how each culture expresses the cuisine of other cultures. The same situation does not exist in America with other Asian cultures such as Japanese or Thai (although they are still bastardized) and even less so with Vietnamese (which came much later to their benefit). As for Chinese food, it's been here so long that it's muddied down into an unrecognizable image of it's former self. We can love it or hate it. I just find it extremely interesting... all this ABC food.
i wonder...
I wonder if Hopper stopped to eat here and if so. what did he order? Whatever it was, I'm going to guess it was as bland as "The Great Wall" is near my apartment.
Ian - I'm guessing the
Ian - I'm guessing the restaurant's namesake dish or something similar. Now I'm reminded of this Chinese restaurant Paris I read about once in the New Yorker. Apparently it's a hot spot for fashion industry folks and actors, but the food is pretty bland considering the hype.
Chop Suey
Jennifer 8. Lee covers precisely this topic in her book "The Fortune Cookie Chronicles". I'm about 40 pages from the end, so your post was well timed Diana. It's a nice mix of pop-sociology and history that is well sourced (judging by the length of the footnotes at the end).
Nick - I've read it. Was
Nick - I've read it. Was utterly fascinated by the reporting, which is her strength. Though there are a few sections, particularly going deeper into the food, that left me wanting more.
My theory re: Americanization of cuisine...
is that the earlier cultures that immigrated here have transformed the most for various reasons:
- availability of ingredients
- modified to suit broader tastes
- generational shifts in tastes
If, for instance you look at Korean food, which I'd guess is "newer" in America than Chinese cuisine (I've not researched this), the dishes are much closer to what one would find in Korea. Ask a typical mid-American to name 3 Chinese dishes, and a Chinese person will most likely never have heard of them.
A parting question: Where did the orange/yellow glowing rice used in most fast food Chinese restaurants come from?
Andy - I do not know this
Andy - I do not know this orange glowing rice you speak of. Are you sure you're not confusing it w/ Tex-Mex burrito rice? ;)
bachelor society
I think that the tradition of Chinese food in America being greasy, cheap, poor quality, etc., also stems from the fact that the first Chinese in America were mainly men, since women were barred from the country by various state and federal laws. In addition, most of the men who came were presumably were unskilled in the kitchen and had to learn on the fly with strange new ingredients. If my own bachelor "cooking" is any indication, fried rice is usually easy and tastes decent enough!
Who knows what would have happened if women had been allowed to enter the US at the same time as the men. I'm not trying to pigeonhole women into the role of homemakers, but it's probably accurate back 200-300 years ago.
Oz - That's an interesting
Oz - That's an interesting point. At the same time, men used to cook all the restaurant food in mainland China and Hong Kong, and today they still make most of it. Yet what developed was often elaborately presented, with delicate flavors. Maybe the absence of women eating the food, not women cooking, encouraged the new immigrants to be lax in their food habits. It's like when you put a bunch of 18-year-old males in a college dorm with a kitchen and tell them to feed themselves.
Chop Suey in Manhattan
My great aunts who were in the service told us stories about how they would go from Brooklyn into Manhattan some nights with their Chinese colleagues from the hospital and have CHOP SUEY. That was their extent of Chinese food back in the day.
Good eyes on the tea pot and the outside sign!
Economics, Recommendations and Chinese food.
I think it's more the mainstreaming of "Chinese food". At first it was the cool thing to do. The few Chinese restaurants back in the day were hella busy. Then others decided to jump on the bandwagon. As more and more places showed up on the scene, each one trying to undercut each other with price, the quality of the food dropped accordingly. Ironically these days, a nice place does not guarantee good food and a dingy, fluorescent lit place isn't always crap. There's so many places now it's strictly word of mouth about quality Chinese food.
Sadly, many of my Chinese friends (I'm ABC BTW) equate cheap with "good" and to them, if it's not "cheap" then it's a rip off and to be avoided.
abraxis - It is sad.
abraxis - It is sad. Especially when ingredients for a plate of pasta costs the same as the ingredients for a Chinese stir-fry dish, yet consumers are usually willing to pay twice as much for pasta because of the perception that Italian food *should* be more expensive.
Ben Fong-Torres
Your post reminded me of a book I read called the Rice Room, by Ben Fong-Torres. Gotta read! He is a Chinese-American and talks about his life growing up in the back of a Chinese rest. in CA. He's also a former writer and editor for the Rolling Stone. He's the BOMB - he ought to be the social icon for all Chinese-Americans; instead of the typical doctor-pediatrician that all Chinese parents want for their first-born son, he went his own way and became very successful.
Yan - As I'm reading more
Yan - As I'm reading more and more into Chinese-American history/culture, Ben Fong-Torres shows up in a lot of sources. Though I have to admit, the first image that comes to mind is Terry Chen with a mustache in Almost Famous.
Why Chinese Food Isn't Hip
An interesting take on why Chinese food isn't hip ...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122065742934705655.html
Another Interpretation
Hi Diana, I'm an avid reader of the blog and love the recipes you've introduced me to, but I can't help but wonder if you've misread this image a little. In the 1920s (and through the '50s and early '60s) people dressed up anytime they went out, whether it was to a baseball game, or a restaurant, so I'm not so sure the Hopper painting represents glamor in Chinese dining.
Having said that, I find the best Chinese restaurants here in the states (I'm thinking of the Grand Sichuan outpost on Canal St., Spicy & Tasty in Flushing, or Lucky Eight in Bay Ridge) have fairly lackluster interiors, but the food is so astonishingly good, that the design (or lack thereof) doesn't matter.
Matt - Eek. I never thought
Matt - Eek. I never thought that the interior of Grand Sichuan or Spicy & Tasty were that drab. Bland, yes, but certainly not so ugly that I just want to eat and run. That said, yes, people did dress up more in the 1920s. If I had a nickel for the number of people I've seen attending Broadway shows in jeans...
A Real Chinese Banquet is....
A real Chinese banquet has got to be totally decadent. This is a culture with a history of more than 4000 years with dynasties galore. Food was taken seriously and heads would roll (literally) if the food wasn't perfect.
I haven't been to a 'real banquet' in this sense but I have been to one were more than 20 courses were served and it was an experience which was simply delightful in the beginning but as the evening progressed it was a mixture of delight and suffering. You only got to eat a mouthful or so of any course but small amounts can pile-up and toward the end you were stuffed. Problem was, the food was so good and each course was new and different and wonderful, and you just had to taste it. So you were delighted with the taste but felt like you were going to die from over eating. To me, this is what Chinese cuisine is all about. It's something that is so good that you just keep eating it even when you know it's in your best interest to stop. :P
Not so much about the food...
Sure the food was important at a banquet but it's mostly a prop, or a status symbol for the person giving the banquet and the food is rarely if ever truly eaten. I've lived in China for over 6 years and my hubby is Chinese and we've given our share of banquets, but looks are everything in China. It's a way to show status and 'earn face' (kind of like looking good). For our daughter's 90 day birthday we shelled out 800rmb per table/ 7 tables for her banquet and didn't even make a dent in all the food! There was 13 people at a table! Most of the time was spent smoking, drinking, toasting and talking about work. And of course most 'banquets' come at a price for those invited as well. Birthday's and weddings are about 100 rmb per person, unless you are close to the host and then it can go up to about 10,000 rmb. So basically you make money on giving banquets.
Transitions
from Edward Hopper "Chop Suey" to A Real Chinese Banquet is.... .... ......
Having been part of the Chinese Diaspora in SouthernAfrica, and now Canada (NAmerica)
A banquet consisted of 9 dishes, the Hors d'œuvre platter, seafood, pork, duck, chicken, deep fired crispy, soup and desert/fruit
now in NAmerica, it is usually 10/12 dishes.
20 or more is truly decadent, often in Hong Kong harping back to the Manchurian Imperial Court menu of ( WILD ) exotic dishes, that are nowadays absolutely NO NO in light of endangered species plight.
LAPL online menu collection
I like this post, and it was kind of timely for me because I've been having so much fun reading the old Chinese menus in the Los Angeles Public Library's online collection. It really was a different time and aesthetic--big cocktail menus, lots of flourishes. The famous Copacabana club in NYC had a special "Chinese kitchen"...so you could start your meal with chopped clams and French onion soup, and then move on to a chop suey: http://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus/fullsize/b/13856-cover.jpg
You're right, there's nothing really comparable to that now.
Re: P.F. Chang, I can't remember if I mentioned to you that I watched this American-Chinese movie called "Ping Pong Playa," in which the main character refers to a chain restaurant known as "B.S. Chang." Enough said!
Michele - Okay, I just spent
Michele - Okay, I just spent 3 1/2 hrs browsing the site. So...addictive... It's a shame there are so few places nowadays to get a Planter's Punch with your wontons.
Cuisines adapt
When one nation 'discovers' the food of another, they change and adapt it to their own tastes. The same is true of Indian food in Britain; curry is one of the most popular dishes in Britain, due ti the long history of involvement in India, but it's not the same meal as is eaten in India. However, in recent years there has been more interest in real Indian food, with qulaity restaurants making a feature of authentic regional food.
The same is true of Chinese food, there are terrible takeways serving food that has little in common with the cuisine it cam from, but as the standard of restaurant food in general has improved, so there are also very good Chinese restaurants.
Glamour
I know exactly what you mean about those kinds of restaurants. Here in DC, Tony Cheng's in Chinatown is one of the last few examples of white table cloth, professional service, elaborate cocktail menu places with (unfortunately) Americanized Chinese food. My New York grandparents who dined out a lot were used to these restaurants.
In the last few years, I
In the last few years, I have been to a few Indian-style Chinese restaurants (one in Chicago and one in Queens). The food was basically Chinese food as interpreted from an Indian point of view. And it tasted incredibly good! I'm not sure if the dishes were completely unique - as chop suey is unique to American Chinese restaurants. But the spicing was definitely an Indian spin on Chinese food. And it made me think of American-style Chinese food in a whole new way - as a cuisine all its own.
In that context both American-style Chinese food and Chinese-Chinese food can be given their due...
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